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Perspectives on Interstate and International Shipments of Municipal Solid Waste.

Subcommittee on Environment and Hazardous Materials
August 1, 2001
10:00 AM
2123 Rayburn House Office Building 

 

 
 

The Honorable David E. Hess
Secretary
Department of Environmental Protection State of Pennsylvania
16th Floor, Rachel Carson State Office Building
P.O. Box 2063
Harrisburg, PA, 17105

Chairman Gillmor, members of the Committee, my name is David Hess and I am the Secretary of Pennsylvania’s Department of Environmental Protection. 

I am here today on behalf of Gov. Tom Ridge and members of the Pennsylvania General Assembly to give you one simple message  — Don’t dump on Pennsylvania. 

We need federal legislation now giving communities the right to decide if they want to accept garbage from other states for disposal.

The issue is simple—the U.S. Supreme Court says communities don’t have the right to decide whether they want out-of-state garbage or not.  They said only Congress can grant that right and that’s why we’re here.

We very much appreciate the efforts of Chairman Gillmor and Ranking Member Mr. Pallone for scheduling this hearing and that of Congressman Greenwood and Senators Specter and Santorum and our entire Congressional Delegation for their continuing efforts to push for federal legislation in this area.

Over the last six years Gov. Ridge has personally visited many members of Congress, including members of this Committee, to urge passage of interstate waste legislation.  And before him, the late Gov. Robert P. Casey carried the same message.

My predecessor James Seif appeared before this very committee two years ago asking for your action and met with many members to educate them on this issue.

In each of the last three legislative sessions, members of our General Assembly have overwhelmingly passed resolutions urging Congress to act on interstate waste legislation.

Today I’d like to recognize the presence of Richard Fox representing Sen. Ray Musto, Democratic Chairman of our Senate Environmental Resources and Energy Committee and Patrick Henderson, representing Sen. Mary Jo White, the Majority Chairman of the Committee.

We Pennsylvanians are nothing if not persistent, because we believe passing legislation giving states and communities a voice on waste imports is the right thing to do.

Specifically, Pennsylvania is seeking federal legislation on interstate waste that includes these basic provisions:

 

  1. Giving communities the ability to allow the disposal of imported waste through host community agreements, which would address concerns like operating hours, truck traffic, noise, and litter before permits are issued;
  2. Imposing a freeze on waste imports immediately with a predictable schedule for reducing imports over time;
  3. Allowing states to impose a percentage cap on the amount of imported waste that a new facility could receive;
  4. Allowing states to consider in-state capacity as part of the permitting process;
  5. Allowing communities to adopt waste flow control ordinances to protect existing bond debt.

 

Bills introduced by Congressman Greenwood — H.R.1213 and Senator Specter  — S. 1194-- incorporate provisions that Pennsylvania supports.

These tools are needed because some states have found it easier to dump on their neighbors than to develop disposal facilities and recycling programs to handle the waste they generate.

In many ways, Pennsylvania has been a victim of our own success.

Pennsylvania has required our counties to plan for how they will dispose of the waste they generate over the next ten years, put in place the nation’s toughest environmental standards for landfills and built the largest curbside recycling program in the country.

Because Pennsylvania has successfully built a waste disposal and recycling system, other states feel they can come in and take advantage of it, and there’s nothing to stop them.

Ironically, the lack of federal legislation has also hampered other states, like New Jersey, who do want to keep waste in their state, but can’t because they can’t control where their waste goes for disposal.

Reasonable restrictions on imported waste shipments like the ones we’re asking for will not ban all imports as some have said. In fact, in 1999 Pennsylvania did a survey of communities hosting landfills and found that 20% have, and would, agree to accept waste imports for a variety of reasons.

The simple tools we are asking for will enable states and communities to act responsibly to manage their own waste and limit unwanted waste imports from other states. 

 The need for federal legislation is now more urgent.

In March, Fresh Kills Landfill serving New York City closed – forcing the city to find new disposal sites for an additional 4.7 million tons of garbage a year.  They are shipping 11,500 tons of trash a day outside the city to landfills and incinerators in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Virginia.

Much of this garbage moves by truck along our Interstate highways causing serious safety and environmental problems for the states involved.

In May of this year, Pennsylvania conducted “Operation Clean Sweep,” an unprecedented effort to put State Police and environmental inspectors at each of the landfills and resource recovery facilities in the Commonwealth over an eight-day period.

The results we found were, in a word, frightening.

We inspected more than 40,000 trucks and cited waste haulers for over 11,000 safety and environmental violations. 

The Pennsylvania State Police found 86 percent of the trucks they inspected had one or more safety violations and they took 849 trucks or drivers out of service for being unsafe.

One driver showed up at 6:00 a.m. on a Monday morning drunk.

We’ve also had citizens killed and seriously injured by trash trucks, most recently in Northumberland County along I-78.

As the fines and penalties from “Operation Clean Sweep” continue to pile up, we also continued our regular truck inspections.  As recently as last week, six more inspection sites resulted in more violations.

The hazards of unsafe trash trucks are real for our communities and we’re doing everything we can to enforce our safety and environmental laws, but frankly we need to get to the root of the problem that only federal legislation can solve.

We are also doing all we can within the current law to improve our waste management programs.

Gov. Ridge issued an executive order that directs DEP to actively involve communities early in landfill permit decisions, and to take a detailed look at truck traffic and other community impacts.

 We also passed new regulations requiring applicants for new landfill capacity to prove the potential benefits of those facilities out weigh harms to the environment and to the community.

Landfill applicants are also prohibited from applying for new landfill capacity until they have five years or fewer of capacity left.

Gov. Ridge is the first governor to propose legislation that includes a two-year moratorium on issuing permits for new or expanded landfills, new tools to crack down on unsafe trash trucks and giving communities more say in resolving local issues with landfills through host community agreements.

But Pennsylvania cannot address the issue of waste imports without federal legislation.

In our offices, we have 25 applications for new or expanded landfills that will add 71.5 million more tons and years of new waste disposal capacity in Pennsylvania.

If the additional capacity were devoted only to the waste Pennsylvania generates, it would last us 7.24 years. This is on top of the 12 years of capacity we have right now.

Our democracy is built on the foundation of empowering people to make choices.  It is also built on fairness.

Our communities now have no voice in deciding whether millions of tons of garbage come to them for disposal from other states.

In it is unfair that states like Pennsylvania that have made the hard choices to build waste facilities and recycling programs, have to make room for other states that have not.

We are not asking to build a fence around our borders to turn back every waste truck or to turn our backs on the legitimate needs of our neighbors. 

We’re not asking for any money. 

We are asking Congress to give states and communities a voice so we can limit unwanted garbage imports into our state. With appropriate federal legislation, states will be provided the tools needed to begin addressing the current inequities.

Again, thank you for an opportunity to address this critical issue. 

We look forward to working with Congress to address this important issue and to developing a consensus that will benefit all states and communities.

 

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David E. Hess was appointed Secretary of Environmental Protection by Gov. Tom Ridge in March 2001.  He can be contacted at:  717 787-2814 or by e-mail:  DavidHess@state.pa.us .  For more information on Pennsylvania Waste Management Programs, visit DEP’s website at:  www.dep.state.pa.us  (directLINK “waste management”).

 

 

 
 

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